The works of Plato

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    Shawn T Murphy
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    By recording both the Dorian (pagan) philosophy together with the Ionian, Plato’s works were protected from Rome (above). The barbarian does see the threat in the writings, because they do come across on the surface as entertainment, and because they contain their pagan beliefs. They do not catch the deeper meaning delivered by Socrates, often sarcastically at the unknowing cost of his discussion partner.
    Yes, they were re-lived often by Plato’s students, and although they are intellectually humorous, they took them quite serious. They were becoming a smaller minority within Athens and could not talk openly about their philosophy. So being able to relive how Socrates was able to decimate his opponents without them even knowing it was especially entertaining for those Ionians living at the hand of their now-pagan Athens rulers. I laugh especially at Aristophanes’ “spherical body form” and the “highest form of love is the love of boys”. Yes, to us it is laughable, but for these barbarians, it was what they truly believed. These thoughts are just as absurd as Aristotle’s silly concept of the universe. This was not the view of Ionian thinkers, but rather something that he conjured up. He did not understand the great Ionian teachers and did not apply logic his work, therefore discounting himself as a pure source.

    #1291
    Anonymous
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    You said: “They were becoming a smaller minority within Athens and could not talk openly about their philosophy.”
    What historical evidence do you have to support this claim? On the contrary, all the evidence points to a flourishing of the Academy after Plato’s death, with acquisition of more land under the headship of Speusippus, and the establishment of various ‘annexes’ of the Academy throughout Greece. See, on this topic, the recent book by John Dillon, The Heirs of Plato (Oxford 2003).

    #1292
    Shawn T Murphy
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    The reign of Pericles is seen by historians as a “Golden Age”, but this implies that it got worse afterwards, which it did. The Ionian’s lost the majority control of Athens in the third Persian war 492 – 480 BC. Because of the help that they received from Sparta and the Dorians in defending Athens, these non-Ionians received citizenship in the city. This act of democracy was to come back to haunt the Ionians, for once the Dorians gained a majority of power in the capital, they revoked the freedoms of religion and required all citizens to make sacrifices to their pagan gods. The “Symposium” was set at the height of this philosophical and ethical debate, and in the downfall of the Ionian Athens. Socrates eventually died at the hands of the new pagan rules of Athens; choosing to drink the poison instead of betraying his Ionian spiritual belief.
    Ref: “Die Dorisierung Athens” Robert Sträuli, Museion 2000 5/1996

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