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  • #1370
    Shawn T Murphy
    Participant

    Dear Gabriela,
    I am very happy to here that Origenes comes across so well in French as he does in German and English!
    Love Shawn

    #1336
    Gabriela Bal
    Participant

    Dear Shawn,

    Last night reading Origenes I understood one thing I’d like to tell you and I hope you will understand it. I was wondering that the difficulty about participating on the discussion is not only about the ” english’ but specially because my approach to Plotinus and Origenes is different from yours. Of course it is possible to talk like you do and this is good and better then nothing. I think if I enter on this discussion I could not be so different that I am. I am trying to say that not even my aproach is different because first I have feel on myself what I am reading until I can say it is mine, but it is also different because I am woman and woman usually looks everything in a different way. Do you understand?

    If you think I have something to add to your discussion I will do it according with my comprehension and my time. I usually watch not only a single part but the totality and what is behind the words. I know you do the same, that’s what I understood from your few words on your last e-mail.

    I wanted to tell this even before you write me this morning. I will wait for your answer to decide what to say to our colegues. I think it will be interesting to talk with Andrew because I also work people who have neurological disease. Perhaps he will feel more confortable with me. I work with people and their bodies. I touch them every day with my hands and my words.

    Thank you for helping me…

    Love Gabriela

    #1371
    Shawn T Murphy
    Participant

    Dear gabriela,
    I forgot to add that I would be happy to introduce you. Can you put down a
    few ideas of what you would like to say and then I can write it up for you?
    Love Shawn

    #1372
    Shawn T Murphy
    Participant

    Dear Gabriela,
    My friend Teresa is a home-nurse in Switzerland and goes to people’s homes to help them. She talks with her hands and her body. She does mostly foot massage therapy, but is also a kinesiologist. She has said the most profound things to me of anyone in my life, but she is also the one that speaks very little to me.

    The answer to your question is that, yes, I think that you can add a great deal to what we are talking about, if it is only a few words that come from your heart. You can force others to think and better explain what they are trying to say. It is very effective when someone can stand up to a philosopher and say: “What you are saying does not reflect what I see in people or in nature. If God created this nature, than we should be able to see…”

    This is the problem that I have with historians and philosophers like Edward. They separate the words of a person from their actions. You and I know that this cannot be done. If a man does not do what he says, then what he says is worthless. Do not even bother trying to pick out the good pieces of their work. Edward can accept that Origen wrote more about scripture than anyone ever has written, but that a few of things he wrote were wrong and therefore he is a heretic. I am just asking that we try to re-learn all that he knew before we attempt to say whether he is wrong, or whether we are not big enough to understand what he taught. Edward does not understand all that Origen taught and the consequences.

    He believes in the “total restoration of all things”, but is not willing to accept that each soul is a unique personality, created individually by Jesus and given eternal life from God. He cannot believe that each fallen soul will return one day to its home in Heaven. That, on its path to restoration, that it must spend some time a spiritual place after its physical body dies and before it is born into a new life. That this place cannot be much different than the physical place that we live. It is hard to understand how people can believe that Heaven is completely different than Earth! Did God create something totally different when he created Earth? Is there really nothing in Heaven that is like that what we have on Earth? Or does it make more sense to say that the material world is only a shadow, a temporary copy of what exists in Heaven, and that is more variety in Heaven that there is on Earth, and not less?

    So yes, Gabriela, you can add much. You hands can bring us back down to reality and force us to explain everything so that it makes sense versus the world around us.

    Love Shawn

    #1337
    Gabriela Bal
    Participant

    Dear Shawn,

    I am sorry I coul not answer your email before. I have many things to tell you… but not now because I will have an important meeting these morning and I hope everything will be Ok. Please, pray for me and specially for Thiago because today is his birthday. I can’t belive, now he is 21 years old.

    Love Gabriela

    #1338
    Gabriela Bal
    Participant

    Dear Shawn,

    I am happy your grils are at home again.

    You will never disturb me. You can call me whenever you want or you realize you shoul do it. I think it will be nice to talk with you over the weekend. So tomorrow or saturday I will tell when I shall be at home.

    As I said things are changing quickly. I do not know exactly what is changing inside and outside me. I know I am only doing what I am supose to do. ( do you undestand what I mean?)

    I think something has changed also with Thiago today. He was happy and confident.

    Love Gabriela

    #1373
    Shawn T Murphy
    Participant

    Dear Gabriela,
    I have been thinking of you and I picked up the phone a few times yesterday to call, but decided not to disturb you. My two girls come home today, after being gone for nearly two months, so I will be busy in the next few days. Also, I have a nice older man staying with me who is installing the new playground at Shana’s school.

    We can talk in the next few days though. Let me know when a good time to call would be over the weekend.
    Love Shawn

    #1339
    Gabriela Bal
    Participant

    Dear Shawn,

    Today I could not talk to you as I wanted to. What I told was not really important. I have told only the facts but I couln’t talk about my feelings and this bother me. I hope you understand how difficult is for me to say that I am affraid about changes in my life.

    I can say that it is not me. Do you understand? I have no choice and this is good. I have faith and I know God is guidind me. The problem ( or the solution) is that it is not not up to me anymore.

    If you ask me what I want to do I do not know. What I have to do I am doing and I am happy, but I am also affraid about this new way of living. And this brings freedom… not freedom from outside, but freedom to receive what God sends to us and His will. It is so difficult for me to receive.

    I hope you understand me…

    Love Gabriela

    #1374
    Shawn T Murphy
    Participant

    Dear Gabriela,
    That is very nice to hear. I do not need to know exactly what is changing, but it is nice to hear that you think that it is good. It is especially nice to hear about Thiago.
    Love Shawn

    #1375
    Shawn T Murphy
    Participant

    Dear Gabriela,
    It took me many years to understand the changes in my life. Yes they were frightening at first because I did not have control of them. Since that time I have learned to accept His Will and not try to think about the future. I trust my guardian angel to guide me in the right direction, even though it does not seem the best at the time. I have always seen that it was right, maybe years later.

    I wish the best for you and my prayers are with you.
    Love Shawn

    #1340
    Gabriela Bal
    Participant

    Dear Shawn,

    Since our last converstion I want to say something to you but I do not know what is it. Then I will be silent until I realize it.

    Have a good week!

    Love Gabriela

    #1341
    Gabriela Bal
    Participant

    Dear Shawn,

    I hope you are not upset with me. Today I went to see Amadeu, my soul’s doctor, because I felt my body was also changing. I think that I am the only person who goes to the doctor when every thing is getting better.

    I understood one important thing. That’s what I wanted to tell you but had no words. This is my silence. It comes from my heart’s profundity.

    I would like to hear from you…

    Love Gabriela

    #1342
    Gabriela Bal
    Participant

    Dear Shawn,

    You are talking about light. I do not have words to say if it is light or what is it. I just feel His Presence and when I realize it I became afraid. Afraid is not a good word. In Portuguese we have a word to express the fear of God. I will try to explain. It is “temor” which is different from “medo” = fear. Do you know a word to express this fear of God? Even in Portuguese I do not agree when people say that we should have fear of God. I can say in Portuguese something like “God’s fear” and this is totally different from having fear of God. Can you understand what I am trying to say?

    For me when we discover God’s fear, of course God has no fear at all, we are so near Him that His Presence inspire this kind of fear, God’s fear. I am trying to say that I am not afraid about the world, what I felt last weed was God’s fear. And I know it because I have experienced that love is born after we discover God’s fear.

    I hope you understand what I am talking about. I know people usually can not understand what I am trying to say. They think love comes first. God loves us but we don not have His capacity to love, we can not love as He loves us. I am not trying to say that we can not love, of course we do it. But we do it before we realize God’s fear.

    When I felt God’s fear for the first time this was the strongest experience I have ever had. And then I realized immediately that love comes after it. Sometime later I had another strong experience, the experience of God’s love. That was the experience I had last time on the monastery.

    I hope you understand me… but this does not matter. Probably I have to tell you even if you can not understand it.

    Thank you for your words today. They nourished me. I know “we are connected in His light and through you I am connected to a spiritual community of people throughout the world, who are trying to help fulfill the promise of Jesus by bringing His Words back to life”. Plotinus would say that we are One with the One.

    Love Gabriela

    #1376
    Shawn T Murphy
    Participant

    Dear Gabriela,
    It is nice to hear that things are going well for you. I do not pretend to understand what you are talking about, but that does not matter. I just want you to know that the light that He gives me goes out to you and your son. We are connected in His light and through me you are connected to a spiritual community of people throughout the world, who are trying to help fulfill the promise of Jesus by bringing His Words back to life. “My Words will never die!”

    It is us who Jesus was talking to when He Said: “And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:” Mark 4:11 This is the only time in the bible that Jesus used the word mystery, but not in the sense that we cannot know. It is up to all of us to become one of His Disciples in the truest sense; by fulfilling His demand on us to “know the mystery of the kingdom of God”. Origen’s entire life was dedicated to helping people to do just this, but the church that followed him has buried the Word in mystery. We must help to bring His Word back into the light.

    This is a huge task, but it is the most important task that there is! Being a small part of this work fill us with His Light, because it is His work. I hope this is what you are feeling.

    Love, Shawn

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