Being ‘at one with God’

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    Shawn T Murphy
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    Being ‘at one with God’ is not the same as being God. Just look at the beginning of John. Zwingli notes it quite clearly that the Word was a divine being, not God himself. (I know you said that a lot of work has been done on this, but just consider that volume of work that Rome has had to do in order to rewrite the Truth so that it is not a danger to material power structure. Fortunately they have not done a good job of presenting a logical and internally consistent alternative to the Truth.) Take a closer look at the deeper meaning to all of Jesus’ parables. He never portrays Himself as the Father, never.

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    Anonymous
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    On the contrary, see John 8:58 where Jesus declares: “Before Abraham was, I am [egw eimi].” Compare this with the name of Yahweh as given to Moses in Exodus 3:14; — when Moses asks God by what name he should call Him, God replies “I am that I am [egw eimi]” (Septuagint). Of course, I must qualify that Christ is not here portraying Himself as the Father (that would be to lapse into modalism); rather, he is expressing an identity of natures (between Himself and the Father), and, as the Church Fathers carefully argued, expressed his equality with the Father.

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    Shawn T Murphy
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    It has always been a problem for people to truly know with whom they are speaking to in the spiritual world. It was not really until 1 John 4:1 that there was a proper guide to communication with the spiritual world. It has also been very arrogant of the Jews to think that God personally led them out of Egypt and continued to follow their every (false) step. Moses was a fallen soul, but even Abram (an un-fallen Prince of Heaven) had trouble telling which god was speaking to him during his life. (See my article on this topic at: https://origenes2000.org/PDF/WhyChristiansFightWars.pdf.) A more consistent view is that Jesus has been the one who has taken a personal interest in leading His fallen subjects back into Heaven. It was Jesus who spent 40 days teaching Moses and 3 years teaching Paul. It was Jesus (Logos, Wisdom) who has taken personal responsible for bringing the Truth to us, the fallen. If you look behind the truly Great Teachers of history, you will find Jesus. Look at the deeper meaning of the names and similarity of the characters of Diotima, Aesop, and Calliope.

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