Dear Dave,
Thank you for getting back to me and for having a look at Origenes2000.org. I also read the link you sent with interest and this may be a good place to start with the list of problems with your website. You seem to be discounting the value of original writing over the opinions of modern theologians and other modern witnesses. Your analysis does not take into account the impact of the Roman empire on the modern view.
Please read Nobel Laureate Erwin Schrödinger’s work “Nature and the Greeks” to understand this huge problem with our modern view. During his work on quantum theory, Schrödinger discovered a major flaw in modern science and traced this flaw back through time in order to discover its origin. Like Galileo before him, he went back to the founders of science and philosophy (Love of Wisdom). He found that the Roman empire had split knowledge into two categories: materialistic observable knowledge and belief (which they could control through doctrine). This transition from one single world view from the likes of Socrates and Euclid to the modern opposing views of science and religion was completed by the Emperor Justinian in 543 AD. Modern theologians who do not understand this impact are not qualified to speak on the validity of the bible.
Origen of Alexandria is a very important person in the history of Christianity becuase he fulfilled the promise of Jesus to send the teacher or the spirit of truth.
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. (John 16:12-14 NKJV)
Jesus only had time to teach for three years and the simple people that followed Him we unable to understand everything He wanted to teach them. So after His death He promised to continue sending prophets to teach and to keep His words Alive. Origen of Alexander did this for over 50 years. Read my article if you need to know more about his works. The teachings of Origen in the second and third century threatened the power of Rome so much that they made the core teaching blasphemy, giving the empire power over the immortal soul of its subjects.
Some of Origen’s original writings are still available to get a taste of his genius and understand the scientific approach he took toward the words of the Old and New testaments. But the most important teachings were lost and those books burned. But Jesus’ promise to keep His words alive has brought other prophets to remind us. The latest that I am aware of is Beatrice Brunner who taught for 35 years and all of these teaching are recorded and available to modern theologians and scientists to scrutinize.
Regardless of whether the teachings came from Jesus, Salomon, Socrates, Origen or Beatrice they all are one with God. Not to say that God personally appeared as prophets and as Jesus, but all of these divine spirits came to Earth with One Purpose: Bring the Fallen Home to Heaven.
Specifically on your website, I have the following comments to make. (I have provided to the link to your page in question.)
Either Jesus was who he claimed to be—God in the flesh—or his claims were false.
There are not only two choices. Jesus never said He was God, in fact He specifically says He is not the Father many times. Oneness requires separate personalities. After 1/3 of the angels (us) were cast out of Heaven, the remaining inhabitants (King, Archangels, Princes and all other angels) have been working with One Purpose – getting us back home to our perfect state. Jesus is the King of Heaven who came down from Heaven, took on human form, showed us how to live and conquered Death (Lucifer). He rose back into Heaven and opened the gates for us to be able to join Him once we have regained our perfection.
If Jesus did rise from the dead, then he alone would have the answers to what life is about and what is facing us after we die. On the other hand, if the resurrection account of Jesus is not true, then Christianity would be founded upon a lie. Theologian R. C. Sproul puts it this way: “The claim of resurrection is vital to Christianity. If Christ has been raised from the dead by God, then He has the credentials and certification that no other religious leader possesses. Buddha is dead. Mohammad is dead. Moses is dead. Confucius is dead. But, according to…Christianity, Christ is alive.”[3]
Origen recognizes three different meaning of the word the word dead. As in the time Jesus said, “Let the dead bury the dead.” How can an immortal soul be dead? Death is separation from the light or God. Lucifer is Death, but he is very much alive. Our physical bodies die, but our immortal spiritual bodies live on – either separate from God (still dead) or heading towards the light. Jesus’ resurrection was just proof of what happens everyday. Modern science has demonstrated resurrection and reincarnation, the incarnation of an immortal soul in a new life on earth. Psychologists have demonstrated multiple past lives which is consistent with the original early Christian teachings, Jesus’ Good News:
- We are all fallen angels and each of us had some active or passive part in Lucifer’s bid to become king.
- We all broke our promise to God to accept Jesus as the King of Heaven, therefore, the only way home is accept Jesus as the King of Heaven once again.
- God is infinitely patient and He wants all his lost sheep back, event the black one (Lucifer). There will be great rejoicing when this prodigal son eventually comes home, but this is a long way in the future.
- God created the material world in order to provide a foolproof path for our return. We are not only given many chances to find our way home, but we have all of Heaven pulling for us.
- Every person on earth today is on the same road home, but we are at different points on that road. Evidence from the bible and science suggests that this road is long. It seems to require hundreds of years living on earth over many lifetimes.
- Each life gives each of us the opportunity to learn what we need to in order to advance along the road. Sometimes we do and other time we fall back some, but His Angels are loving and patient and are there to help us along the way.
If you want to bring this viewpoint to your website, I would be happy to help.